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    kamelot
    09.10.2010, 00:05

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    freddieKrueger
    09.10.2010, 01:04

    Enas xronos fwnhtikhs einai poly ligo xroniko diasthma gia na gnwriseis toso ta oria ths fwnhtikhs ektashs  sou oso kai thn poiothta tou alh8inou hxoxrwmatos sou ta opoia einai poly basika gia na se kataksoun se fwnhtikh kathgoria...

    Genika stis arxes twn fwnhtikwn spoudwn mia fwnh den mporei na katatagei POU8ENA...oute soprano,oyte mezzo soprano,oute alto ktl...

    Fysika tipote den einai apolyto...an eisai eksairetika talantouxa kai beltiwnesai poly poly grhgora,se ena xrono mporoun na fanoun arketa stoixeia sxetika me th fwnhtikh kathgoria pou anhkeis...

    Pantws milwntas genika,o ekpaideyomenos fwnhtika 8a prepei na apofeygei tis akraies xamhles h pshles notes pou exei giati oi men xamhles apaitoun idiaiterh texnikh ''mikths kafalikhs kai 8wrakikhs fwnhs'' oi de pshles aristh sthriksh kai topo8ethsh....

    Synepws atopo to erwthma ''mexri pou ftanei mia soprano pros ta katw h pros ta panw''...

    Typika kai gia thn istoria anaferw pws h ektash mias soprano einai C4-C6...


    kamelot
    09.10.2010, 14:16

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    kamelot
    09.10.2010, 14:22

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    freddieKrueger
    09.10.2010, 15:17

    Biologika gia ta oria twn fwnhtikwn kathgoriwn 8a akouseis polles apopseis...px pws o mpassos den mporei na piasei panw apo G4 h pws h soprano den mporei na ''xtyphsei''ena G3 h kai xamhlotera...

    Omws gia mena einai 8ema kai mono texnikhs...an enas tragoudisths anasainei arista,an exei to 95%ths ektashs tou h kai parapanw PARA POLY ANETA(dld xwris na anagkastei na piesei OYTE LIGO)an exei kalh topo8ethsh kai fysika prosexei th fwnh tou dld den thn w8ei syxna sta oria,tote oi pi8anothtes na dieyrynei thn ektash tou pros ta panw h pros ta katw einai para polles...

    Prwsopika ksekinhsa na tragoudw ws mpassos apo E2 ews D4 kai fysika tis notes B3,C4 kai D4 tis eixa alla mono fwnazontas....

    Sth synexeia anakalyptontas th swsth texnikh,arxisa na tragoudaw apo G2 ews A3...meta apo ena xrono enoiwsa POLY aneta ekei opote kai epekteina thn ektash mou se G2-B3 kai meta apo kapoio  xrono se F#2-C3...

    Twra tragoudw aneta apo F2 se F4 enw me piesh mporw na tragoudhsw G4,A4,B4 akomh kai to C5 tou tenorou(!!!)...enw sta xamhla pianw D2!!!!!

    Synepws ayto pou exw na sou pw einai pws ta biologika oria einai isws aperiorista kai o monos tropos gia na deis to terma sou einai na beltiwnesai diarkws olo kai pio poly texnika...

    Typika anaferw pws katatassomai sthn kathgoria tou Lyrikou Barytonou(ayth einai h gnwmh WRL eidikou fwniatrou),alla mia ka8hghtria tragoudiou me xarakthrise dramatiko tenoro(!!!)enw mia allh ws basso cantabille...bgale akrh...egw pantws tragoudw panta sthn ekatsh pou sou eipa F2-F4 baria G4...


    kamelot
    09.10.2010, 15:57

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    freddieKrueger
    10.10.2010, 00:19

    Den isxyei auto pou sou lene gia tis 3 oktabes...deikse mou esy ena paradeigma tragoudisth me 3 oktabes pou kanei kariera sthn Ellada...allwste ta perisootera kommatia monternou h klassikou spania ews pote den yperbainoun tis 2 oktabes...

    Telos sth gynaikeia fwnh yparxei kai mia mikrh pagida:Oi ''pshles tsirides'' tou klassikou den mporoun na xarakthrisoun ws gnhsia ektash..mia kai an paraggeileis apo mia soprano na tis ''anoiksei'' kai na tis kanei ''gemates kai me ogko wste na akougontai se plhrh omoigeneia me to xrwma ths fwnhs omilias,apla DEN MPOROUN...

    Genika eimai ths apopshs pws ws ektashs fwnhs logizetai h ektash ths fwnhs pou mporeis na tragoudhseis me mhdenikh piesh apo poly sigana(pianissimo)se poly dynata(forte)kai antistrofa,XWRIS NA METABALLEIS TH GNHSIA XROIA OMILIAS SOU...

    Den mporei allo xrwma na exei kapoios otan mila kai allo otan tragouda...akougetai kai kata th gnwmh mou EINAI kai poly pseytiko...

    Telos,me 2 oktabes eisai kalymmenh...na 8es na eisai fwnara 2,5 oktabes einai arketes enw me 3 oktabes...eisai KORYFH ki oxi apla aksioprephs...Yparxoun kai fwnes-elaxistes-pou ftanoun tis 3,5 oktabes alla kai alles me...4 oktabes...omws apo ekei kai pera kai pali h omoiogeneia thw fwnhs xanetai mia kai xrhsimopoioun th legomeh whistle voice...


    kamelot
    10.10.2010, 14:35

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    freddieKrueger
    10.10.2010, 15:58

    H ''pseytikh'' fwnh einai ena megalo kefalaio...den einai apaksia,anti8eta sta plaisia ths eley8erhs ekfrashs kai se orismena eidh tragoudiou einai ena omorfo ekfrastiko stolidi...

    OMWS an den katexeis ton PLHRH elegxo ths pragmatika gnhsias fwnhs sou,tote mallon empodio sthn ekseliksh ths fwnhs sou vazeis...

    Mia fwnh otan ekpaideyetai den prepei na dokimazetai se akraies syn8hkes,oyte kai sthn kataxrhsh mesw pseytikhs fwnhs...

    Allwste den einai pio omorfo na xtizeis th fwnhtikh sou ektash hmitonio-hmitonio me ta xronia?

    To erwthma den einai pws 8a apokthsei kapoios mia aksiopreph fwnhtikh ektash,alla pws 8a apokthsei aksiopreph tropo ekforas ths hdh yparxousas ektashs...

    8a akouseis gyrw sou gia fwnes kai fwnes...sygkekrimmena exw akousei an8rwpo na ''tragouda'' se ektash 3,5 oktabwn alla h aksioprephs ekfora hxou tou na einai molis 1,5(!!!)oktaba...

    Gia na xtisei loipon kapoios 3 oktabes aksioprepous fwnhtikhs ektashs,xreiazetai toulaxiston...10 me 15 xronia!!H diaforetika...mia zwh!!!An loipon exeis thn ypomonh kai fysika thn agaph gia to tragoudi,tote 8a geyteis poly megales sygkinhseis...Na shmeiwsw s ayto to shmeio pws grafw exwntas ypopsh thn proswpikh mou peira ki empeiria...eimai mia entelws metria pros kakh fwnh,enw xreiasthke na doulepsw POLY SKLHRA gia na petyxw ayto pou alloi kanoun apo th fysh tous...dhl na tragoudoun kanonika...

    Genika pantws pisteuw pws to kako pragma erxetai amesws,to metrio meta apo ligo,to kalo meta apo poly kai to poly kalo apotelesma meta apo POLY kairo.... 

    An mporeis na parageis ena tono POLY ANETA me thn alh8inh sou fwnh tote nai apo ekei kai pera mporeis na kaneis o,ti 8es me asfaleia:Na dwseis grezia,gkazia,tremolo,na xrwmatiseis me falseto kok...

    Gia tis xamhles notes yparxei ki ekei to sfalma:Oi notes pou den einai topo8ethmenes,pou akougonta san vocal fry,h pou xanoun th lampsh tous den mporoun me tipota na symperilhf8oun sthn ekatsh ths fwnhs...to zhtoumeno einai oxi an mporeis na tragoudhseis mia C3 alla an mporeis na thn entakseis sto tragoudi sou kai na ANEBEIS tonika omala petyxainontas XWRIS PIESH mia nota apo thn kanonikh h kai thn pshlh perioxh sou,kati pou apodykneiei an mh ti allo pws exeis kanei swsth douleia denontas ta diaforetika registri twn fwnhtikwn perioxwn sou sta diafora passagio ths fwnhs sou...

     


    kamelot
    11.10.2010, 10:49

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    freddieKrueger
    11.10.2010, 12:21

    Kati pou genika isyxei me tous ka8hghtes fwnhtikhs alla eileikrina den mporesa pote mou na to ekshghsw,einai pws 8eloun apo sena 2 pragmata:1)Na tragoudas pshlotera apo ekei pou h fwnh sou 8a eixe th megisth dynatothta gia anaptyksh

    kai 2)Na tragoudas panta ta kommatia ston tono ton opoio yparxoun sthn partitoura kai oxi ena h kai 2 tonous katw h panw(analoga th fwnh) Shmeiwsh:Edw anaferomai kyriws sto monterno tragoudi...sto klassiko dystyxws ta oria allaghs tonou steneuoun...ara ekei ti8etai 8ema ka8ara epiloghs repertoriou gia mpasso,barytono,ktl...

    Einai gegonos pws kata thn ekseliksh ths fwnhs mou diapistwsa to ekshs:Pws notes pou dedomena eixa kai malista sto ayti akougotan para poly ka8ares kai sthn ais8hsh arketa  anetes,sthn ousia DEN TIS eixa me thn ennoia ths ka8arhs kai akribous STHRIKSHS kai TOPO8ETHSHS...

    Ayto mporeis na to diapistwseis kai kata to zestama ths fwnhs sou:Kapoies notes sthn arxh 8a 8es na tis ''sprwkseis'' elafra gia na bgoun...enw argotera pou 8a eisai zesth 8a 8es ligoterh prospa8eia,omws kai pali milame gia prospa8eia...kanonika sto tragoudi den prepei na yparxei...Omws safws kai milaw gia to apotelesma kai oxi gia thn poreia mia kai einai adynato estw kai ligo na mh sprwkseis eidika sta pshla(edw to kanoun empeiroi tragoudistes)Synepws 8a htan poly kalytero gia th fwnh mas an tragoudousame sthn perioxh ekeinh pou h prospa8eia einai para poly mikrh...kai otan blepoume pws me ton kairo h prospa8eia ekmhdenizetai,synexisoume ena hmitonio pshlotera h xalhlotera analoga...

    Gia to FALSETTO twra...an brisketai STHRIGMENO swsta kai TOPO8ETHMENO sthn kefalikh mas fwnh(headvoice) mporei me ton kairo na anoiksei kai na ginei ayto pou leme ''kanonikh fwnh''Enas poly kalos tropos gia na epiteyx8ei ayto einai otan tragoudas thn ''pseytikh'' sou na katebaineis klimakes,alla na DIATHREIS thn pseytikh xroia kai sta poly xamhla...Kai ekei na epimeneis...8a diapistwseis pws h fwnh siga siga anoigei me kateu8ynsh apo ta xamhla pros ta pshla kai pws oi tonoi sou diarkws ka8arizoun apo thn ''leptizousa'' apoxrwsh kai ginontai OLOENA kai pio omoigeneis...aytos o hxos loipon exei thn ikanothta na anebei tonika kai na ypernikhsei to passagio,xwris na ginei antilhpth apo to koino h allagh twn registri twn fanhtikwn perioxwn sou...Oso de dynamwneis tous anapneytsikous koiliakous mys apo th mia kai diafragma mazi me mys pou diastelloun thn koilia sou apo thn allh.toso pio dynata kai aneta 8a tragoudas kai kalytero elegxo ths fwnhs sou 8a exeis...


    kamelot
    11.10.2010, 16:17

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    freddieKrueger
    11.10.2010, 22:55

    Akougetai alla den einai ka8olou asteio...einai h bash gia na anaptykseis th fwnh sou me ena ygih kai or8o tropo kai na apallageis apo axrhstes kai blaberes entaseis sthn perioxh tou laimou kyriws...

    H ka8hghtria sou mou fainetai apo ayta pou grafeis swsth...

    8a deis kai sthn poreia pws h fysikh ais8hsh paragwghs tou hxou 8a allazei...8a noiwseis(pi8ano na to exeis hdh noiwsei)ekplhksh h kai en8ousiasmo gia to poso eykola h abiasta mporeis na parageis tonous pou oute kan eixes fantastei oti mporei na tous exeis...h fwnh sou 8a ginetai oloena kai pio gemath,pio apalh kai pio eyelikth...kai to tragoudi ayto ka8eayto mia eyxaristh kai ksekourasth diadikasia toso gia to swma oso kai gia thn psyxh...

    8a diapistwseis pws mia kalh fwnh mporei na tragoudhsei ta panta sxedon...

    Brhka ena endiaferon videaki sto opoio mporeis na pareis mia mikrh geysh ths diaforas tou na tragoudas me ''kanonikh'' h me ''pseytikh'' fwnh mia nota C6...


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k0hsHtZs-4&feature=relatedLink

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    opws ki edw merika omorfa deigmata(ki alla oxi kai toso...)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLqH2QETEtQ&feature=relatedLink

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    Kai merikes yperoxes xamhles apo mia eksairetikh fwnh


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMm3wdF1qtMLink

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    BAGRATION
    12.10.2010, 00:05

    Πολύ κατατοπιστικό το πρώτο βιντεάκι για το πως ακούγεται η κανονικη γυναικεία φωνή στο C6.

    Η τεχνική αυτή λεγεται belting.


    kamelot
    12.10.2010, 21:44

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    kamelot
    12.10.2010, 22:05

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