Ψεύτη - σφαγέα Μπους

Παράθεση: Το μέλος jorge στις 22-09-2006 στις 10:05 έγραψε... 11/09/2001 Την νεκρική σιωπή του πρωινού της 11/09/2001 ακολούθησαν οι κραυγές και οι πόλεμοι του κυβερνήτη Τζόρτζ Μπους. . . . . Παραφράζοντας το έργο του Αντώνη Σαμαράκη «Ζητείται ελπίς» μάλλον πρέπει να φωνάξουμε «Ζητείται αλήθεια»….

Ως επιβεβαίωση του άρθρου αυτού (γι'αυτό δεν το παραθέτω πάλι εδώ ολόκληρο), δείτε κι αυτό.

[ Το μήνυμα τροποποιήθηκε από τον/την : santourman στις 13-10-2006 12:23 ]

Kai liga pragmata gia ton James Fetzer:

A theory that just won't die

Across America, a small but fanatical cadre of conspiracy-minded academics believe the U.S. government engineered 9/11. This is their story

It went on to become one of the most successful books on the purported conspiracy.

"There's a big chasm between those who are even willing to entertain the hypothesis enough to look at the evidence and those who aren't," Mr. Griffin says. "The only way to overcome that is by appeal to authority."

"You can't just appeal in terms of straight argument," he says. "You've got to do something to break through, to get people to look at the evidence."

Now that the movement has progressed, and more voices of authority have joined, Mr. Griffin is more convinced than ever.

"I think now it's just irrefutable," he says. People who don't question the official story, he says, are "just whistling in the dark."

James H. Fetzer, the co-chairman of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, retired last month from his post as a distinguished McKnight university professor of philosophy at the University of Minnesota at Duluth. He wanted to focus more on the movement. "Whether there's another critical-thinking course being taught at the University of Minnesota is relatively trivial," he says, "compared to this."

Mr. Fetzer, a voluble, impassioned man who often speaks in long paragraphs, is no stranger to conspiracy theory. Before Sept. 11, he had a side career investigating the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. But the issues surrounding the Scholars for 9/11 Truth are far more acute, he thinks. In Mr. Fetzer's mind, the country is in a state of dire emergency.

Hence, it does not much bother Mr. Fetzer that outside scientists have largely refrained from tackling the group's arguments. "I don't think it's a problem," he says, "because we have so much competence and expertise among ourselves."

911myths.com, a Web site run by a software developer in England, is one of the few venues that offers a running scrutiny of the various claims and arguments coming out of the 9/11 Truth movement. Mr. Fetzer has heard of 911myths.com, but he has never visited the site.

"I have been dealing with disinformation and phony stories about the death of JFK for all these years. There's a huge amount of phoniness out there," he says. "You have to be very selective in how you approach these things."

"I can assure you the things I'm telling you about 9/11 have objective scientific status," he says. 911myths.com, he says, "is going to be built on either fabricated evidence, or disregard of the real evidence, or violations of the principles of scientific reasoning."

"They cannot be right," he says.

On the second afternoon of the conference, Mr. Fetzer gave a speech in one of the hotel salons to a standing-room-only crowd. It began like an introductory lecture in moral philosophy he might have given at the University of Minnesota. He discussed different theories for the origins of right and wrong -- moral egoism, utilitarianism, deontological moral rights. Then he came to the emergency.

"The threat we face," he said, is "imminent and ominous." He recommended arming the citizenry

John Gravois, National Post, Canada

Skeptics doubt new 9/11 Pentagon footage
Video shows flight 77 crash: Conspiracy group planning conference

Published: Thursday, May 18, 2006

WASHINGTON - When the U.S. military agreed this week to release video of American Airlines Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001, government watchdog groups hoped the images would end conspiracy theories claiming the hijacking was an elaborate Bush administration hoax.

It hasn't worked.

A day after U.S. networks aired footage of the Pentagon aflame, skeptics rejected the video as inconclusive and Internet traffic to the most popular conspiracy theory sites soared.

"It's a charade," said James Fetzer, a philosophy professor at the University of Minnesota-Duluth and co-chairman of a group called Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

"There is no new information here whatsoever, even though that is how it is being spun. You can't tell what in the world is hitting the Pentagon, but it is too small to be a Boeing 757."

The reaction has baffled and disappointed U.S. government officials and members of Judicial Watch, the Washington-based group that petitioned for release of the Pentagon images under the Freedom of Information Act.

"They do the memories of the victims harm, in fact, they misuse their memories by suggesting the U.S. government killed them or made them disappear," said Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.

"Whatever the controversy over the crazed theories, in the end what we witnessed in these videos is a plane full of innocents flown into a building full of innocents."

Pentagon officials had refused to release video images of the crash for almost five years, claiming they were needed for the prosecution of convicted 9/11 plotter Zacarias Moussaoui.

But that secrecy has made the Pentagon attack, which killed 198 people, the focus of some of the most elaborate conspiracy theories about 9/11.

Despite hundreds of eyewitnesses who saw a jet fly into the building, Thierry Meyssan, a French author, claimed the Pentagon was hit by a U.S. cruise missile. American Airlines Flight 77, he alleged, actually crashed in Ohio.

Other theories have it that Dick Cheney, the U.S. Vice President, planned the Pentagon crash from deep inside the White House bunker.

Although the U.S. government treats the claims as absurd, Mr. Meyssan's book became a bestseller overseas and forced the State Department to post a detailed article debunking his claims on its Web site.

The newly released video shows a silver object streak across the sky and into the Pentagon building, producing a giant fireball. "Most people, whether or not they can make out a plane, no one sees a cruise missile. No one sees a decoy," Mr. Fitton said.

"The most hard-core conspiracy theorists will never be satisfied. But I hope the video will appeal to the rational and reasonable people out there who might otherwise be taken in by the pseudo science and half-baked evidence that these crazies present."

On the contrary, the Web site 911Truth.org -- "the leading portal of the September 11th research community and truth movement" -- had five times as many visitors after the video's release on Tuesday.

"Why is it that 4 1/2 years later -- after hyping that they are going to release this definitive video to show the plane hitting the Pentagon -- they release blurry images that don't show an airplane," said Michael Berger, a plastics broker from Missouri and the spokesman for 911Truth.

Sheldon Alberts, CanWest News Service

Παράθεση: Το μέλος santourman στις 13-10-2006 στις 12:22 έγραψε... Ως επιβεβαίωση του άρθρου αυτού (γι'αυτό δεν το παραθέτω πάλι εδώ ολόκληρο), δείτε κι αυτό. [ Το μήνυμα τροποποιήθηκε από τον/την : santourman στις 13-10-2006 12:23 ]

Μπάμπη πάρα πολύ ενδιαφέρον, αξίζει να το δουν όλοι για να βγάλουν τα συμπεράσματά τους.

vlepoume ala ktiria na kaigontai, kai den peftoun......oi purgoi einai polu pio psuloi apo auta ta ktiria pou kaigontai.....oso pio psulo einai to ktirio, toso ta ilika einai pio elafra, gia na mporei na antistathei tin dunami ton anemon pou exei ena tetio ktirio se tetio upsos, efoson to ktirio koinetai stin vasi tou....kai telika kanena apo auta ta ktiria den xtupithike apo aeroplano pou zugizei tonous taksideuontas 200 xiliometra tin ora.........

den eimai mixanikos, kai enas aplos mixanikos pou sxediazei spitia, den exei kamia sxesi me mixaniko pou sxediazei ouranoksistes......

prepei na leme pola perissotera gia na vgaloume sumperasmata......

kai oso gia to site 911myth.com pou vlepetai....o idios o Fetzer paradexetai oti einai pseutiko....ean diavasete to proto apokoma apo tin kanadeziki efimerida pou exo valei....

kai ean diavasetai tin teleutaia grami tou apokomatos, tha deite oti thelei olous tous amerikanous na oploforoun...........

anarotiemai ean i eleutherotypia eiksere ola auta, otan tou peire sunenteuksei.....i parapliroforisi kai propaganda uparxoun pantou apo oti fainetai.......

dustuxos den vreika tipota sta ellinika....gia na mporoun na to diavasoun oloi...

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